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dougsoffroadcycle

146 Posts

Posted - 03/07/2010 :  8:27:13 PM  Show Profile  Visit dougsoffroadcycle's Homepage  Reply with Quote
This new system we are use is great. Seems like most of the riders are about the same speed in the Cvet Class. We had a train of cvet riders for about 2 laps. The class markings are not so good though. There are way to many bikes without colored backgrounds and numbers on the side plates. The temp work great but i think they should have them on the side pannels too. You never no who u are competing with as it stands now. Many helmets did not even have colored tape on the back.. Even if they did u still dont know if they are C open or Cvet. I really think we need to give out 3 temps for the people who do not have side numbers....Its very frustrating when aproaching a rider in a race. I dont want to yell at someone that is in my class to move over and pass them..Thats not racing.

dwtboss

21 Posts

Posted - 03/07/2010 :  9:07:09 PM  Show Profile  Send dwtboss an AOL message  Reply with Quote
i agree.. i was a new guy today in the c-vet class.. i just got a temp front #.. but i will have side numbers next time, when ever that maybe.. but the tape on the helment??? didnt know anything about that...
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f4stunter

126 Posts

Posted - 03/07/2010 :  10:19:19 PM  Show Profile  Send f4stunter an ICQ Message  Send f4stunter a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
I would have to agree aswell. I wasn't given tape to put on the back of the helmet as many others. There were several bikes that there wrong numbers werent cover properly either. We should all take the initiative upon ourselves to follow the guidelines but something needs to be in place to help when that doesnt happen.

'03 CRF450r
Jonathan Dumler #969
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Shane

2156 Posts

Posted - 03/08/2010 :  08:06:55 AM  Show Profile  Visit Shane's Homepage  Reply with Quote
This new system is awesome, but a huge change. I think we'll see things smooth out as the scoring crew adapts to their new bike, so to speak.


"While any other may stand and talk, the Walking Man walks."- James Taylor
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dougsoffroadcycle

146 Posts

Posted - 03/08/2010 :  08:30:36 AM  Show Profile  Visit dougsoffroadcycle's Homepage  Reply with Quote
New bike or not... If its broke, lets fix it by enforcing the number on the side. Side numbers really dont have much to do with the scoring. Bikes were not be properly marked last year either. There was no enforcement at all.

Edited by - dougsoffroadcycle on 03/08/2010 08:39:57 AM
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kcrooney

224 Posts

Posted - 03/08/2010 :  08:38:10 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I was really happy with the new system and colored plates. It really helped me alot during the race. I did have tape on my helmet but completly forgot to look for that during the race.
I did have a little prblm with no side numbers and those not properly covered but remember this is a new system and it will take awhile to get all the bugs worked out

Kevin Rooney
#977 crf250x
colossians 3:23
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bill

171 Posts

Posted - 03/08/2010 :  09:05:46 AM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Put it out here guys, don't hold back, tell us what you really think. The officers are nistening, the more feedback that they get, the better. Break this new bike in!

life's a ditch. so dig it!
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Farrell

3280 Posts

Posted - 03/08/2010 :  09:18:59 AM  Show Profile  Send Farrell an AOL message  Send Farrell an ICQ Message  Send Farrell a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
Thanks for the input everyone, keep it coming!

I'm working very hard to work out all the kinks, scoring has turned into a job, there is more equipment to haul around and manage now. (computers, printers, transponders, transponder programmer, antenna, score board, tents, paper, oval stickers...) Race day is pretty hectic and we try very hard to accommodate and address any and all questions. We will get better with time and experience.

Regarding tape on the back of the helmet...
That seemed like a really good idea, however is it really necessary?

Regarding class colors, to keep track of everything(motos, class, overall, Adv Pct, etc.) we needed to make some kind of change regarding classes. We had a few choices.
1. do nothing to identify different classes, this is the EASY solution and it is what a lot of other series do and I've never heard anything positive about doing it that way. Horrible for racers and spectators.
2. change our class number ranges, this will work for the short term, however over time you run out of numbers. Once a bike number is assigned to a rider, it stays with that rider for the entire year(member or not. Better for racers not so good for spectators.
3. class colors to identify classes, this seemed to be the best solution, both from a racer perspective and from the spectator perspective.

We, the officers, are discussing how to make #3 better.

So you ask.. What can I do to help?
. run the correct class color number plates on your bike, all three sides.
. spread the word, tell other riders to run the correct color number plates.
. if you see a riders that does not, tell them, they are subject to a race day penalty if they don't conform.

It is up to ALL of us to help keep this series on track and running smooth.

P.S. please don't suggest something that you would not be willing to do yourself on a voluntary basis.

3:16 | James 1:19 | series officer since 2005
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f4stunter

126 Posts

Posted - 03/08/2010 :  09:58:25 AM  Show Profile  Send f4stunter an ICQ Message  Send f4stunter a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
I really like the new setup. The conforming seems to be the main issue right now, but it sounds like you guys see it the same and are working on it. I think we can all help you get there.

'03 CRF450r
Jonathan Dumler #969
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GREG

585 Posts

Posted - 03/08/2010 :  12:37:10 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
plates for the back of the bike , like aa a vet,b open b vet and so on something in that nature
the tape is good if they all have but most of the time it is covered by the google strap cant see any way, and with the # and cooler on just the front, racers cant see that at all.

nation wide
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Slow

94 Posts

Posted - 03/08/2010 :  1:04:18 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Speaking on behalf of my wife: The class colors help tremendously as viewed from the spectators.

Also I can't lie and tell her "hey did you see me pass that AA rider", who was really just a lost rider from peewee practices.

Zac

Zac Crowl
#725 Sportsman
07' 250XCF-W
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Alexander

883 Posts

Posted - 03/08/2010 :  1:09:01 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Next race March 28th, get your # plates ordered!

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dwtboss

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Posted - 03/08/2010 :  5:09:30 PM  Show Profile  Send dwtboss an AOL message  Reply with Quote
I think yall are on the right track with the colored plate idea, but I think yall are making it to complicated.. I have raced with several different clubs in texas (toro, torn, tccra and torcs) and in my opinion torn has the best system for both racers and spectators.. They have all the “A riders” with one background and numbers colors but change the first digit of a 3 digit number for the open class and age classes.. like “open a” would be 115 and “over 30 a” would be 315 and “over 40a" would be 415 but all have the same background color of red... and for the “B-class” the number system is the same but the background color is back... and “C-class” is white background.. as a racer it def makes it easier to know who your racing against..

but i can say this.. that was an awesome race! i have not raced in a few years and im def getting the bug again.. bear creek was just great.. thanks ahscs!

kenny murphy
286 o30c

Edited by - dwtboss on 03/08/2010 6:18:38 PM
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dougsoffroadcycle

146 Posts

Posted - 03/08/2010 :  5:11:09 PM  Show Profile  Visit dougsoffroadcycle's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote: they are subject to a race day penalty if they don't conform. Farrell is there a penalty?
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JWEBB

38 Posts

Posted - 03/08/2010 :  5:49:34 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I had a blast yesterday! The track was great, the crew did a great job changing the line throught the ONE mud hole, the guys on the back check did a great job I didnt see anyone who had to stop throgh there. The transponders worked great just slowly ran through and didn't have to completly stop. I think things ran real smooth from what i can see and i think we have moved a long way forward with our series and I appreciate ALL the hard work everyone has done to get us here. I think we have to have the side numbers on ALL bikes even if they are temp but even some of the temp decals I saw yesterday was the correct background color but black numbers when those are not the color they should be. But with the new system everyone has been tightened up so much you need to know who you are racing in front and behind you. Now with all that said I ran two laps or so in that CVET train yesterday (until I just ran out of energy) and I'm sure other classes was running the same way, and I think that was some of the best racing I have done so far!
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dougsoffroadcycle

146 Posts

Posted - 03/08/2010 :  6:04:14 PM  Show Profile  Visit dougsoffroadcycle's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I think the color system is fine. I just want them on the side of the bikes so i can see what class the person is in front of me... I would also like to have a rear view mirror on my handle bars.. Has anyone tried that? Im kidding so no need to reply..

Edited by - dougsoffroadcycle on 03/08/2010 6:08:51 PM
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Bruce Yother

1732 Posts

Posted - 03/08/2010 :  6:09:16 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I am still a fan of the old numbering system. I not only like to know who is in my class but I also like to know what class people are in that I am around. There is no way I could ever memorize all the different color schemes. I get out there and convince my self I am really carrying a good pace and then a D-Beginer goes by me and I realize I have been fooling myself. If an A or AA goes by my I try to hook on to them and ride their lines until they pull away. The only way I know what class they are in was by the numbering system. I am not that familar with the MotoTally hare scramble scoring system and the numbering system may not be feasible with that system.
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jakeroo7

391 Posts

Posted - 03/08/2010 :  8:12:49 PM  Show Profile  Visit jakeroo7's Homepage  Send jakeroo7 a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by GREG

plates for the back of the bike , like aa a vet,b open b vet and so on something in that nature



A plate on the rear of most bikes won't last long. the trees are hungry and I think they eat plastic. :)

KUDOS to the scoring crew for implementing and dealing with the new system.

I believe the tape on the back of the helmet is a great asset. I was frustrated with those who did not have either the colored tape OR color-specific side number plates. PLEASE PUT ATLEAST one or the other on!!

Everything else about the system seems as perfect as it could be, including number/background color assignments per class.

~~Crazy Jake~~
A Open
'08 KTM 450 EXC-R
http://www.hookit.com/members/jakeroo7
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jakeroo7

391 Posts

Posted - 03/08/2010 :  8:23:52 PM  Show Profile  Visit jakeroo7's Homepage  Send jakeroo7 a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by dougsoffroadcycle

quote: they are subject to a race day penalty if they don't conform. Farrell is there a penalty?




in the rulebook, there is no penalty stated for not running the correct number/background color, but it does say:

"Class Colors and Numbers: To be scored during the race, atv class numbers must be displayed on the front and rear, sides are optional. Motorcycle class numbers must be displayed on the front and side number plates. Numbers on number plates should be a minimum of 2” tall and MUST conform to the class color scheme. Temporary, correct color front number plates will be available at sign ups."

"to be scored" would imply to me that you won't be scored for a race if you fail to run the class colors. no colors, no trophy. no colors, no points. motivation enough for me :)


~~Crazy Jake~~
A Open
'08 KTM 450 EXC-R
http://www.hookit.com/members/jakeroo7
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GREG

585 Posts

Posted - 03/08/2010 :  9:38:19 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Greg raced a Texas race one time and you were told up front "heres how your number plates will be displayed and if its not that way too bad you wont get scored." However, they did provide you with paper plates to use and told you exactly how to display them. With our wide variety of color schemes I dont see how we could provide alternatives to everyone on race day. I know we are doing this with the temps but as stated previously the temps only cover the front plate. There seems to be a few people (and its a very few) that seem to have the attitude of being satisfied with just using the temps. This is just my opinion but we are going into our third race now and everyone should be aware of the new rules. So maybe at signups of the next race it should be posted "this is the last race that you will be scored unless and until your front and side number plates conform to the rules of the series". Post it on the message board what is fixing to happen, tell all your friends what is gonna happen. Then at the next race DO NOT score them. Maybe have a check on the starting line and advise they wont be scored that day. I dont know if this is a good idea or not or just how to seriously address this issue. I just think until there are some consequences to face that there are some that just are not ever going to follow the rules.
Karen

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Edited by - GREG on 03/08/2010 10:00:54 PM
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GREG

585 Posts

Posted - 03/08/2010 :  9:59:12 PM  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
After reading a post elsewhere on this board I think I answered my question about not scoring anyone. Sorry but I still believe if no consequences some will NEVER conform.
Karen

nation wide

Edited by - GREG on 03/08/2010 10:00:00 PM
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